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SUNNYDAY
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22/01/2008 : 18:36:00
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Dont be under any illusions the DVLA/Police know exatly what is taxed,what is not and what is declared sorn,that is why they set up at the road side with cameras and either fine you through the post with evidence,or come after you at the time to fine you.
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leopard_pagan
The Oracle
United Kingdom
10898 Posts |
Posted - 22/01/2008 : 18:53:11
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| too many pikes and immigrants who dont tax cars to keep track of. |
>^..^< NC29 RR-L with all sorts of custom bits and mods |
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castrol101
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
133 Posts |
Posted - 22/01/2008 : 19:22:08
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'Large parts of the biking community are *manhood*ing a snook at the law'
what??? He's just made that expression up right??
When i 1st got my bike i could'nt find the tax disc holder!! Its just above the swingarm |
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grease-monkey
New Member
United Kingdom
10 Posts |
Posted - 22/01/2008 : 20:36:15
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| I'm just a little annoyed that yet again the media seems to portray the image of a biker as a hooligan who is just out to be anti-social and flout the law, or is it me just being a little sensitive? |
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speedy
Senior Member
United Kingdom
2439 Posts |
Posted - 22/01/2008 : 20:42:28
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If I'm not mistaken, it's £200 for failing to display a tax disc.
To me, this feels like an excuse to bring forward the road pricing and/or the number plates microchips!
Perhaps it's time to name and shame:
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When the mind is relaxed, the body will go faster! |
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Tham
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
345 Posts |
Posted - 22/01/2008 : 20:54:55
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Sunnyday - the police have exact data regards what they think is taxed sorn - etc ??? - or its just data splodged together in a PC via what is submitted as things go along??
The DVLA have lost a pile of data Reg's whose got a full bike licence, and whoose bike reg'd to who (say MCN) - I got pulled the other day - I apparently had no insurance - despite having my docs on me .....
Just look at gov' agencies I.T. record, you think its hard to get a PC to separate sensitive data from non? Its first year undergrad C++.
I think their data base is probably poorly managed and too big for its I.T. dep't - which is unmotivated, even disuaded, from attaining serious efficiency. Its actually hard to draw a differing conclusion. What is actually going in sheds and on the street - is not what's in that data base.
I left the UK before all this SORN crap kicked in. There a mass of registered/V5 RD'd Mz's H100's AP50's - and old 4 wheel bangers .... yep - I can think of a s##t load of vehicles that i could resurect if only i only had the desire the money and space - and could find the paper work, and the remaining bits of them on an old farm in the middle of nowhere, errr ..... or could i? Maybe I'll ask the DVLA, there bound to know where all my and me mates old stuff is... Or should i parp myself and worry about sorning them all....
What your trying to say is an automated camera can see a vehicle plate as being not in its system. But then what? - or those that are in it but not taxed to then send a letter to the address of the recorded registration. I wonder where a lot of post goes.... Apart from that, the 40 % un sorned bikes data is a guestimate - and is almost certainly wrong - and is definitely unprovable. AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOST REVENUE. Have a serious prang with some brain dead car drivers road sweeper and then claim on a dodgy registered bike with no tax... clever... mmmm, how many people wisely take that risk? No .. not you or anyone you know. |
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challymo
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 22/01/2008 : 22:32:41
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| I recently read an article in a newspaper (cant remember which one) that said along with road tax and fuel tax increases (3p before june i believe) we could possibly end up paying 5p per kilometre to travel. Yes that works out at roughly 7.5p a mile, so say you comute 10 miles to work and 10 miles back thats already £1.50 for your journey then fuel costs, etc, etc, etc.... My bus to do the same journey is only £1.90 so is it really worth it? (Not saying im going to give up on riding. It is far too fun for that) |
300 bikes riding round a small town, even better when the police block the cars for us. VFR400R |
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crm250
Roll on may
United Kingdom
4821 Posts |
Posted - 23/01/2008 : 07:03:44
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i had the same thoughts as speedy on this - just a twisted and distorted figure to bone bikers somewhere down the line.
also LP how can a fish ride a bike ?  |
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Tham
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
345 Posts |
Posted - 23/01/2008 : 10:41:38
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| Challlymo - this means your math is relative to a £1.90 bus fare that takes you 20 miles ??? Thats amazing. Where do you live, and do you have to push the thing? |
Wot IS that... musk?? |
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SUNNYDAY
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1014 Posts |
Posted - 23/01/2008 : 15:09:27
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| Bottom line,if you aint taxed or haven't declared sorn your in bother, if you are then there isn't a problem is there, it seems very Simple to me. |
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Edited by - SUNNYDAY on 23/01/2008 15:10:27 |
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Tanis
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1019 Posts |
Posted - 23/01/2008 : 18:35:50
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Originally posted by leopard_pagan
apparently the 40% includes SORNed bikes!!!!
Huh, if thats the case, then surely that 40% would be right.
If it aint taxed, its Sorn'ed or you get a fine.
So again the media find something to enrage a section of society.
*Censored*in media want shooting. They are causing most of todays problems.
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challymo
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 23/01/2008 : 20:28:36
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Originally posted by Tham
Challlymo - this means your math is relative to a £1.90 bus fare that takes you 20 miles ??? Thats amazing. Where do you live, and do you have to push the thing?
Sorry i meant £3.60 i just knew i would make a mistake somewhere. actually now i think about it theres not alot of difference o well wouldnt have stopped me using the bike anyway. I just dont like the thought of more of my money dissapearing just to get somewhere to earn more. |
300 bikes riding round a small town, even better when the police block the cars for us. VFR400R |
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oollit
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
378 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 08:51:06
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After reading this i thought i would check my SS50 on the DVLA website, turns out that the Sorn has run out and the bike was registered unlicensed, which could have led to a fine on my part.
So it looks like i am one of the 40% who has a unlicensed bike. It has been Sorned for a good few years now but i have obviously forgotten to renew it at some point. This is easily done as the DVLA don't tell you when the sorn has expired anymore.
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Today is not your day, tomorrow isn't looking good either.
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Tham
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
345 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 11:37:34
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OOOOHHHHH YYYAAYYYY - bureaucrats - these people really are the source of there own self perpetuating sewage.
I can't imagine the *Censored* I 'owe' the state - for simply not being in the place, and being not of the hole that such 'administrators' assume everyone fits into (a sewage pipe in there own cases) - despite the fact I through my life I incur no damage or cost to the state through it, and am a responsible and constructive person .....
There is a definition of Anarchy that is an opposite of a Monarchy, in so far as it relates to a form of responsible self regulation vs. state regulation. If the state behaves stupidly it requires the people to give it a slap - just like an individual who is also an ass.... the bunch of twats....
thankfully this VED/SORN situation rights itself in that it cannot enforce itself arbitrarily - but yeps it gives some furkwit the stats to talk cack and say that the likes of many not of there like owe them for no reason. Well no - no cost has occurred, no damage or irresponsibility is done. Go away.
We respect a state/person for its tolerant and progressive behaviour.
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Tanis
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1019 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2008 : 06:53:51
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Originally posted by leopard_pagan
too many pikes and immigrants who dont tax cars to keep track of.
That from someone who is also an immigrant.
Its not just pikes (sp) or immigrants. I guess you read the Daily mail or such as thats the ususal sh1te they come out with.
You forgot Chavs, Weirdos and any other section of society that doesnt pay their way.
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Tanis
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1019 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2008 : 06:55:22
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Originally posted by oollit
After reading this i thought i would check my SS50 on the DVLA website, turns out that the Sorn has run out and the bike was registered unlicensed, which could have led to a fine on my part.
So it looks like i am one of the 40% who has a unlicensed bike. It has been Sorned for a good few years now but i have obviously forgotten to renew it at some point. This is easily done as the DVLA don't tell you when the sorn has expired anymore.
Probobly because they can make money out of it. They always send a reminder to tax it, I guess because they can make money both ways |
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Tham
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
345 Posts |
Posted - 28/01/2008 : 11:56:26
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Tanis - your slagging weirdos on a biking forum...... which is weird, weirdo ...
you also forgot - politicians, members or royalty, OAP's, and skint down on there luck couriers who near end up pushing there steeds to make deliveries..... and two faced dailymail readers ... |
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ruffef
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
423 Posts |
Posted - 28/01/2008 : 13:48:09
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you only need to sorn it if it was last taxed before end jan 1998. so if you have a bike in bits in the shed, then as long as it's last tax expired before jan 1998, then you don't need to do anything...
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news323.html
if you buy a bike from someone, then the above still applies, BUT if the bike should be sorned and the seller had sorned it, then i understand that you have to resorn it, as the sorn applies to the bike when it was owned by the old owner and will therefore expire.
either way you can do it online, so it shouldn't be too much of a hassle....
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'93 NC30
'86 RG250 (in bits), now in less bits with v. tasty nikkon pipes
Surrey, England, UK |
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morespeedvicar
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
118 Posts |
Posted - 28/01/2008 : 18:43:59
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Hi, i always used to keep my tax disc in my pocket when i used to use my bike for work cos i got fed up with them getting nicked in bolt up holders or not(and me plug caps used to dissapear as well, very strange), i got stopped for not displaying once( and maybe i was going a bit faster than i should of been) but the coppers weren't bother when i showed them it, as long as the bike was legal.
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ruffef
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
423 Posts |
Posted - 29/01/2008 : 10:56:05
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also meant to say, keep my tax disc, insurance and MOT in the leathers armour pocket at the back. that way you've always got it with you, and if you're stopped you can show it's legit and their more likely to let you off with a stern talking too.
keeps it all flat too! |
'93 NC30
'86 RG250 (in bits), now in less bits with v. tasty nikkon pipes
Surrey, England, UK |
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