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Tham
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
345 Posts |
 Posted - 25/01/2008 : 18:19:52
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The Law is THE LAW.
well actually - if there some locals willing to take the camera pressure - i'll let them pass and take the crap, or learn from there actions if there assholes then hey they're gone or in the hedge.... not really a rear brake user in traffic type of guy me - I guess its a habit from following the boyos across the wild hills of home....
maybe im a 'you first type of tail gater.... hmmm'. But your right - you should force others to go as fast/slow as you if you feel like it, or choose to let them pass - and you can use whatever argument you like. That's your right too - as it is mine. I wish I had the freedoms my old man had on the road in his day. As said its not a judgement on people - because when I'm old and fuddy ill probably be a bastard on the road simply because it'll be too bloody moronic to want to suffer, possibly from the likes of many of the actions of my self, an ill by a volvo.
But good will all the same. |
Wot IS that... musk?? |
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AlanH
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1040 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 19:01:22
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Originally posted by Tham
"how many people who ride a sports bike (not a Harley) find themselves being tailgated unless they consciously know they are going slow, and are irritatingly blocking cars ?
I've been tailgated briefly on various bikes - usually in a 30 or 40mph limit when travelling at or around the speed limit und usually on rural roads. When "making progress", I've never been tailgated and in town I spend such little time in a proper lane, I don't think it would be possible.
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Originally posted by Tham
We all do it - but who's conscious of it - and tries to get the furk out of the way ?"
We all do what? If something comes hammering up behind you and sits a foot off your tail light then you should be conscious of it and if the only option to get out of the dangerous situation is to move over then that's what you do.
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Originally posted by leopard_pagan
> your in a 60 mph limit being tail gates.. sure open up and leave them.
> your in a 30 mph limit with a car in front, oncoming and being tailgated..... *Censored* all you can do.
Wrong. If there isn't room to nip past the car in front then you do have another option you haven't considered. It's one we used to include in our motorcycle training courses. Indicate, pull over and let the idiot pass you. They can't crash into you if you are behind them unless they are particularly talented.
If you absolutely feel the need to pick a fight with them, then it's far safer to do it when they've zoomed off in front and then got stuck in traffic. If you stop at their door for a chat, make sure the bike is tight against their door so they can't get out - and make sure they don't get your keys while you're dazzling them with your intoxicating verbosity.
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Originally posted by leopard_pagan
and how am i being in the way? i have full rights to be where i am.
Yep, you have full rights to be there. It is quite possible to be completely in the right yet still be stone cold dead.
If someone has such little regard for your safety that they tailgate you, do you really think they will lose any sleep if they knock you off and skid to a halt on your neck? You're just another obstacle in their way and they'll get around you or over you. It makes no difference to them.
Let them pass if they're dangerously close. It doesn't cost you anything and could save your skin. |
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AlanH
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1040 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 19:05:26
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Originally posted by Tham
ill by a volvo
Good man. There are loads of bikers on the Volvo Owners Club forum :) |
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Keysie
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 19:46:46
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Originally posted by leopard_pagan
CCTV is a project for my bike.. but recording is an added option.
what i want to use it for is to replace my mirrors with a screen fed from a rear view cam.
i can also add a front cam + record live feed. if i record an incident, i would hand a copy of it to police.
Im pretty sure that if your going to record people you have to let them know you are recording them.This could be done by sticking a big sign on your back or on the bike to warn people otherwise you couldnt use it as evidence in court its all to do with the data protection act this is the reason we have speed camera signs and also why they are painted bright yellow.However this would all defeat the object of having a camera because with a big sign stuck to your bike you would not be able to go very fast then you would be holding all the traffic up. |
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challymo
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 20:02:24
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Originally posted by Keysie
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Originally posted by leopard_pagan
CCTV is a project for my bike.. but recording is an added option.
what i want to use it for is to replace my mirrors with a screen fed from a rear view cam.
i can also add a front cam + record live feed. if i record an incident, i would hand a copy of it to police.
Im pretty sure that if your going to record people you have to let them know you are recording them.This could be done by sticking a big sign on your back or on the bike to warn people otherwise you couldnt use it as evidence in court its all to do with the data protection act this is the reason we have speed camera signs and also why they are painted bright yellow.However this would all defeat the object of having a camera because with a big sign stuck to your bike you would not be able to go very fast then you would be holding all the traffic up.
How do you explain the hidden cameras that are being used to catch people round the country now. As these arent signed so that they can catch people out. Plus (and people are welcome to tell me im wrong) the way it was describe to me was the data protection act applies to anyone holding information such as name addresses and such like for business uses, otherwise we would all have to register on the act to hold our mates numbers. |
300 bikes riding round a small town, even better when the police block the cars for us. VFR400R |
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Keysie
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 20:38:13
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How do you explain the hidden cameras that are being used to catch people round the country now. As these arent signed so that they can catch people out. Plus (and people are welcome to tell me im wrong) the way it was describe to me was the data protection act applies to anyone holding information such as name addresses and such like for business uses, otherwise we would all have to register on the act to hold our mates numbers.
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The hidden cameras are not well hidden as you know about them and have been warned that police are using them also there are speed camera signs all over the roads even in places where there are not any cameras as for the data protection act you can hold your mates numbers or photographs or data of anyone you like but if you took those photos etc without telling the person with a view to prosecuting them it then becomes part of the data protection act |
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challymo
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 20:50:53
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| Ah right fair enough seems my teacher isnt good at explaining things. And i only know about the hidden speed cameras cos a mate got caught by one. Ah well you could use the cctv system and get their number plate from it i suppose. That would be better than just saying "its a green car" i guess. Then you wouldnt have to let them know because it is just a riding video of yourself. Would that work? |
300 bikes riding round a small town, even better when the police block the cars for us. VFR400R |
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leopard_pagan
The Oracle
United Kingdom
10898 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 21:05:44
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if i did record footage, it would be for my own use.. ie track day or "20 mins of LPs day!"
i know a lot of people have cams at home covering garage etc and dont display signs and footage can be used in court etc. i had footage from a petrol station cam show my accident with a van. police saw they had a cam and got the footage. i never saw the footage (was vans fault and he fessed up).
think about it.. if you caught footage of someone committing a serious crime (other than speeding lol) i am sure the cops would want to see the footage. how they use it after that is up to them.
anyways... for my CCTV project. recording live feed is an expensive add on + to find a recorder that can be used on a bike under pillion seat is hard. when i get it off the ground (other projects coming 1st) i was planing to just have rear view live feed to a reversed image monitor in/near the dash. before i do this i plan to have a digi speedo/new dash to incorporate the monitor.
"hidden speed cams"
when your out and about, see how many "safety cam" signs you see and not have a scam cam van in the "safe zone". whats been happening is councils/police have had to put up signs to warn you that there *maybe* a scam cam van in that area. a few yrs ago people got out of tickets by saying the vans/cops were not in a signed areas. |
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duffa0305
Settled In Member
United Kingdom
165 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 22:42:15
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dirty number plates is a big no no must be able to read,and it's not tailgating it's drafting....i'm not bothered if someone drafts me.i've got a 9 yr old rover 400,it's only the rust and dirt keeping it together |
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BUGIE
Regular Member
Malta
505 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 23:29:14
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the real reason why speed cameras are painted yellow is because of entrapment and not data protection
also your watch out with cams as it may actually end up catching you out instead... |
Edited by - BUGIE on 25/01/2008 23:33:19 |
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BUGIE
Regular Member
Malta
505 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 23:36:31
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Originally posted by duffa0305
dirty number plates is a big no no must be able to read,and it's not tailgating it's drafting....i'm not bothered if someone drafts me.i've got a 9 yr old rover 400,it's only the rust and dirt keeping it together
until you get nudged from behind on a corner and end up in a ditch fighting for your life |
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faster400
Regular Member
United Kingdom
579 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2008 : 00:38:33
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If I had a pound for every mobile phone user I saw whilst they were driving...! ...still, by reporting them hows that going to stop them, their word versus mine, all I do is shout at them through the window(when i catch up with them at lights)...especially when they pull out in front of me on a round about etc whilst on the phone to their mum(or whomever!)!! Maybe they'll think twice next time or just run out of luck and get caught by the police, thats how I look at it. |
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norse
Back to the Forum Bitch again
United Kingdom
3261 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2008 : 06:16:02
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Originally posted by faster400
If I had a pound for every mobile phone user I saw whilst they were driving...!...still, by reporting them hows that going to stop them, their word versus mine, all I do is shout at them through the window(when i catch up with them at lights)...especially when they pull out in front of me on a round about etc whilst on the phone to their mum(or whomever!)!! Maybe they'll think twice next time or just run out of luck and get caught by the police, thats how I look at it.
Nah there's no point talking to them, you're better off scaring them into dropping the phone by pulling along side, pulling in the clutch, giving the throttle a handfull then tapping your helmet where you're ear is. It actually seems to work down here. |
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matman
Familiar Member
United Kingdom
260 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2008 : 11:10:03
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When I was at the police station regarding the initial post, there was a couple of guys who I overheard talking who had been done for driving whilst on the phone.
The guy was arguing with the police officer:
Guy: "Well it shouldn't affect my insurance because it's not a driving offence"
Officer: "I'm afraid it is"
Guy: "Nah it was nothing to do with my driving"
Officer: "Well it is an offence, and you now have to pay a £60 fine and have 3 points on your licence"
Guy: "Yeah but I can get those points removed if I appeal because it wasn't the way that I was driving therefore it wasn't a driving offence"
Officer: "It is an offence, sir" |
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leopard_pagan
The Oracle
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 14:06:21
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what a toss pot!
lesson 1) dont argue with cops esp after they have pulled you. makes matters worse. always leave it till you get the paperwork through and get legal advice.
woman in a volvo the other day on the phone. god knows how she managed to navigate the junction with it glued to her lug! |
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Streetfighter
I want one of those
United Kingdom
575 Posts |
Posted - 26/01/2008 : 16:41:32
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lesson 1) dont argue with cops esp after they have pulled you. makes matters worse. always leave it till you get the paperwork through and get legal advice.
I argue with the fuzz all the time, but then I have never been pulled over for something of my own doing, theres arguing a point calmly and concisely, then there's being a chav tw@t and giving it all the biggun and getting done for abuse lol.. I stand by the police are about 99% useless (at least where I am), and they don't know what they're enforcing half the time, but there must be a reason why they're about, I think that was forgotten in the mid 70's though.. |
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